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		<description><![CDATA[A few days before Christmas an old friend of mine emailed me to say that God had put on his heart to send me one of those visa pre-paid credit cards.  He asked me to spend it on things related to making better music&#8230;.actually he said music, I just added better.  Anyways, it was so [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few days before Christmas an old friend of mine emailed me to say that God had put on his heart to send me one of those visa pre-paid credit cards.  He asked me to spend it on things related to making better music&#8230;.actually he said music, I just added better.  Anyways, it was so kind and thoughtful, so I thought I might show you what I bought with it.  </p>
<p>*One note about these Books and CD&#8217;s.  While I do think that we can grow from books and CD&#8217;s that might have points of view that I disagree with, I always want to be careful to filter it through the lens of Scripture.  So a word of caution&#8230; I think that some of these have conclusions that might be dangerous to our hearts and minds if wisdom is not taken&#8230;.)</p>
<p>1. Snow Patrol &#8211; A Hundred Million Suns &#8211; I&#8217;ve only listened to it 4 or 5 times, but I can already tell this is going to be one of my all time favorite albums.</p>
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<p>2. Greg Laswell &#8211; I don&#8217;t know much about this guy, but the album came highly recommended&#8230;and he seems to have a real knack for pop melodies.</p>
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<p>3. Bruce Ware &#8211; Father, Son and Holy Spirit &#8211; I&#8217;ve been really convicted lately about how little I consider the doctrine of the Trinity in planning musical worship.  I&#8217;ve heard this is the best book around on the subject.  I hope it brings more conviction and change in me.</p>
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<p>4. Joshua Radin &#8211; This guy is really dylanesq.  Not in a bad way.  But it&#8217;s all over his music.  He too has a some great melodies.  </p>
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<p>So there it is&#8230;how I spent my songwriting money.  I know I have a ton to learn from these singers/writers.  Hopefully some ideas for some good tunes will come out of these resources.  </p>
<p>Thanks for reading.</p>
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		<title>Calvin on Musical Worship</title>
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I&#8217;m reading a book right now called Give Praise to God.  It&#8217;s a pretty good book.  The best thing about it is all of the good quotes on corporate worship.  
Here&#8217;s one by Calvin that I thought was so cool.  I love the imagery of weight and majesty.
&#8220;….we know by experience that singing has great [...]]]></description>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="color: #000000; font-family: Georgia;">I&#8217;m reading a book right now called Give Praise to God.  It&#8217;s a pretty good book.  The best thing about it is all of the good quotes on corporate worship.  </span></span></p>
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		<title>Thoughts on Corporate Worship</title>
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Gravity and Grace by Makoto Fujimura 
 

 
I really enjoy reading Ragamuffin Soul blog, and yesterday morning he had a link to the blog of one of his friends, Anne Jackson.  She has a post up about hypocrisies in worship, which I found so interesting.  She talks about how church culture is okay with people singing and saying things in [...]]]></description>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; line-height: 15.6pt"><span style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: x-small;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Georgia">I really enjoy reading <a href="http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/?p=4902" target="_blank">Ragamuffin Soul blog</a>, and yesterday morning he had a link to the blog of one of his friends, <a title="blocked::http://www.flowerdust.net/2008/04/10/the-hypocrisy-of-worship/ Anne Jackson" href="http://www.flowerdust.net/2008/04/10/the-hypocrisy-of-worship/" target="_blank">Anne Jackson</a>.  She has a post up about hypocrisies in worship, which I found so interesting.  She talks about how church culture is okay with people singing and saying things in a worship service that their hearts and lifestyles are far from meaning, with the hope that saying and doing certain things during the service will draw their hearts toward God.  She asks, &#8220;how many times do we get this backwards?</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; line-height: 15.6pt"><span style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: x-small;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Georgia">step 1: get people to a weekend service.</span></span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; line-height: 15.6pt"><span style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: x-small;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Georgia">step 2: encourage them to &#8220;feel&#8221; the song.</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; line-height: 15.6pt"><span style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: x-small;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Georgia">Anne points out that in these things, we do the very thing that God was so angry with Israel about (external signs of worship rather than worship from the heart). She has some really insightful thoughts on this issue&#8230;so much to consider. </span></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; line-height: 15.6pt"><span style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: x-small;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Georgia"><a title="Ragamuffin Soul" href="http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/?p=4902">Ragamuffin Soul </a>then posted a question to Anne&#8217;s blog post: What do you see the purpose of a church weekend gathering? </span></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; line-height: 15.6pt"><span style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: x-small;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Georgia">This question got me thinking about my own view of corporate gatherings.  Studying Colossians 3:16 has been very formative for me on this topic, so I thought I might talk a little about it and what I think its implications are for the &#8220;weekend gatherings?&#8221;</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; line-height: 15.6pt"><span style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: x-small;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Georgia">Let me say first that I know I still have so much to learn in this area&#8230;.so I would hate for this post to come across like I have everything figured out.  I know there are so many people that I respect greatly that have differing opinions on this topic. Having said that, here is my take on some of these issues:</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; line-height: 15.6pt"><span style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: x-small;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Georgia">Colossians 3:16:<span style="font-size: 13px; line-height: normal; font-family: arial"> <span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 20px; font-family: Georgia"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: x-small;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Georgia">&#8220;Let the word of Christ dwell richly inside you (plural), teaching and admonishing one another in all wisdom, singing psalms hymns and spiritual song, with thankfulness in our hearts towards God.&#8221;</span></span><span style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: x-small;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Georgia">Here are a few implications for corporate worship I would see from this verse:</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; line-height: 15.6pt"><span style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: x-small;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Georgia">1. Corporate gatherings should be framed around letting the Word of Christ dwell richly inside us&#8230;.this should inform the teaching, singing and together time.</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; line-height: 15.6pt"><span style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: x-small;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Georgia">2. Colossians is a letter written to a church, not just to individual Christians, so we should desire that the richness of Christ permeate not just individuals, but also our gatherings as believers. This is how the Bible says unbelievers are shown the power and truthfulness of the gospel (I Cor. 14:23-25)</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; line-height: 15.6pt"><span style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: x-small;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Georgia">3. Our corporate gatherings should be marked by teaching and admonishing <span><em><span style="font-style: italic">one another</span></em></span>….not just being taught and admonished by a pastor/teacher/music leader.  (Even though I think the teaching from the pastor/teacher is very important, it&#8217;s not exclusively how believers should be taught/admonished.)</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; line-height: 15.6pt"><span style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: x-small;"></span><span style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: x-small;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Georgia">4. Along the same thought as point #3….I think we should be asking questions like, &#8220;Do the people at our corporate gathering have an opportunity to teach and admonish one another by the talking/singing/praying in proximity to one another?&#8221;  I think this question has some implications in the way we run sound, run lights, and do &#8220;production&#8221; for corporate gatherings. (Notice I said corporate gatherings and don&#8217;t think this necessarily applies for things like concerts&#8230;.ect.)</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; line-height: 15.6pt"><span style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: x-small;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Georgia">5. Music plays a huge part in our teaching and admonishing during corporate gatherings. I would say that we should provide opportunities to do it with one another….not just with a really loud band that performs for the congregation.  I believe that the role of worship leaders should be to come alongside of the congregation in worship, not to create a &#8220;worship experience&#8221; for the congregation. </span></span><span style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: x-small;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Georgia">(I think that we help people out when we sing &#8220;we&#8221;, &#8220;us&#8221; and &#8220;our&#8221; type songs in our corporate gatherings….not only &#8220;I&#8221; and &#8220;me&#8221; type songs.)</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; line-height: 15.6pt"><span style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: x-small;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Georgia">6. Our song selection is so important, because the gospel will dwell in people and help them remember gospel truths/promises in the coming weeks in proportion to the richness of the lyrics/music.</span></span><span style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: x-small;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Georgia">  </span></span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; line-height: 15.6pt"><span><span style="font-family: Georgia; font-size: x-small;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Georgia">7. Our times of corporate gatherings need to be framed around the gospel, and the gospel always leads to thankfulness in our hearts towards God. When we see depths of sin living inside us and the inability in us to be made right with God in and of ourselves, our response to the work of Jesus becomes overwhelming thankfulness.</span></span></span><span><span style="font-family: Georgia;"><span style="font-family: Georgia"> </span></span></span></p>
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